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The core techniques of tulpamancy that work for development never stop working later on. But, for developed and accomplished systems, they might start to seem silly and unnecessary compared to just casual, natural interaction.

alright, i mention this because even when i first made him he actually already talked full sentences with some personality at third day

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so i wanted to check for myself if it was just a lucky shot or if it is kinda easier for me (edited)

Luminesce: "Time until perceived vocality" is really just a measure of how much doubt someone had. Since clear independence is a smooth spectrum of progress over time, there's really no easy checkpoint for saying "Right there, that's when my tulpa became fully developed" - and so it might never be obvious when day 1's "easily imagining my tulpa talking, I think?" turns into day 365's "My tulpa and I talk about things all the time" (edited)

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Though, after a long time has passed, you can look back at an early point and go "Oh, yeah no, we're way past that."

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Like how you don't notice a friend getting older when you see them often, but then one day you look at an old photo of them and go "Whoah, they looked totally different back then"

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Tulpa development is like that. How much you did or didn't doubt their ability to speak early on isn't really an important sign of progress.

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Just how separate they feel from you, really.

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And that comes with time, all you can do is keep interacting with them and intending for them to be independent

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Eventually, you'll notice they are

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(And as always, the time it takes to get there ranges from a few weeks to a year on average, but day 1 tulpas that didn't noticeably have any specific checkpoints aren't incredibly uncommon - it's just good to understand that they aren't particularly well established in your brain yet so early on)

so basically, i should keep going with what i have and trust?

1:53 AM

sorry for the little response to that big text, you helped me a lot, i just don't know how to really answer

Luminesce: Basically just keep going and don't doubt anything that seems like it could reasonably have been your tulpa, yes. Though you should say "My tulpa wouldn't say that" or "I think that was just a random unrelated thought" when appropriate as well. (edited)

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And I don't need any particular responses to my textwalls, though I do like to hear people feeling reassured or hopeful.

Reisen

Luminesce: Basically just keep going and don't doubt anything that seems like it could reasonably have been your tulpa, yes. Though you should say "My tulpa wouldn't say that" or "I think that was just a random unrelated thought" when appropriate as well. (edited)

because if i don't, that kind of stuff could feed my brain incorrectly

1:56 AM

was i correct?

Luminesce: Something like that. I don't think it's too harmful to associate totally random thoughts as "Maybe that was my tulpa!", though it is a little silly. But definitely know how to say "My tulpa wouldn't want to say that" to avoid intrusive thoughts, because believing in them makes them real in your mind (while ignoring them removes any meaning or power from them) (edited)

interesting

1:58 AM

thank you so much! i'll keep practicing also using what you said now

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Okay, I have to ask. Where do headmates/tulpas go when the host sleeps? (edited)

𝓘𝓴𝓸𝓵 𝓛𝓪𝓾𝓯𝓮𝔂𝓼𝓸𝓷

Okay, I have to ask. Where do headmates/tulpas go when the host sleeps? (edited)

They sleep

Oh okay. Thanks!

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That's what I thought.

I have had sleeps in which i kinda remember (i believe) not stopping thinking at all and being reasoning and having monologue all night long though, but that was before being plural.

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So you could have something like that while being plural too maybe.

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When that happened i would wake up really tired the next day.

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So i woudnt recomend trying that.

4:37 PM

bing found a name for it and sounds about right

that sounds like not actually falling asleep

Well, its like half asleep, like a very shallow and not complete sleep.

the whole night?

I would say that it comes and goes, like, i get them for a while, then wake up, then sleep again and have them again, and it becomes a cycle during the whole night.

4:40 PM

I get them very rarely though.

interesting

4:41 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever experienced something like that. I have had some interesting hypnagogic experiences, though

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talking in a voice chat, for example. I did hear people talking and I did physically talk to them, but there was no actual vc. When I realized what was happening, I found I had absolutely no clue what I said or heard

bing is soo sweet

hahaha

a similar thing also happened but not as vivid, I was talking with the TARDIS I had been designing

I have had all kinds of hynagogic hallucinations... Floating, crazy tactile sensations, rolling, rotating, the whole world getting compressed, being killed...

the other super vivid one was my bed was an elevator overlooking a city of friendly bear people

Skyler 🐉

a similar thing also happened but not as vivid, I was talking with the TARDIS I had been designing

WHAAAT you are a time lord?

it would be cool

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I want to bring a TARDIS into my dreams and use it

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maybe also experiment with the extra senses if a time lord

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of a time lord*

its probably difficult to imagine a new sense

yeah But it seems really interesting

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sadly it has been many months since I have managed to have a lucid dream..

I have had hypnagogic hallucinations that didnt seem to be connected to any specific sense though... Its like they merge

not sure what you mean?

Well, you feel something, but its not clear what sense it is... And you cannot categorize it into any of the 5 usual senses...

like a new sense?

no, like a weird thing

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because the stimuli didnt make much sense

like, smelling purple or something like that?

also no kinaestetic or sense of balance

Skyler 🐉

like, smelling purple or something like that?

no, weirder

Kinaesteitic?

kinaestetic is the sense that tells you where the parts of your body are at

ah

might be writing it crazy wrong though

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I have had stuff like "seeing what i hear" while meditating

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but that was different

sounds interesting.

4:51 PM

I don’t know how to meditate. I don’t know what the goal is, and so I don’t know if I’m doing it right or if it’s working or whatever

Dont think about the goal, just do it, you are likely doing it right

4:52 PM

its really nice

But what is the goal? I don’t really understand what’s going on in the whole thing

I dont know to what extent its doing something or its placebo or training thankfulness or what but its really nice nontheless.

4:53 PM

Well, i just enjoy it.

what’s it like? What are you doing?

And helped me be more happy

Skyler 🐉

what’s it like? What are you doing?

I really like meditating about complicated or bad feelings

4:54 PM

When you feel something bad

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You just close your eyes, breathe and focus on it, and let it be felt

what is meditating, though?

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oh

4:55 PM

so, thinking without distractions?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You just close your eyes, breathe and focus on it, and let it be felt

And you accept it and let it in, feel it and focus on it, and if it goes away just let it go away.

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And maybe after it something new will come

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This is not the channel for this

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btw

what is, then?

lounge or smth

should we go there?

Yeah

I honestly think it's just as simple as "Intend for a separate person to be being created in your brain, talk to them believing they're listening, and try expecting to hear responses from them"

3:37 AM

Talked about the doubting how they sound early on stuff here the other day: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1086825904937893958

I’m not a huge fan of Kopase as a person, but I have no idea how good his videos are.

To be clear, I don't think guides are necessary at all. Just some basic guidelines, in the form of basic advice + expectations.

3:42 AM

I think people get WAY too hung up on "following X guide"

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Honestly I don't believe in "following guides" in the first place. I believe in gaining information about the experience, about good practices and what (options there are) to expect.

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Don’t watch his videos he’s mostly known to be a terrible person.

He adheres to a belief in tulpamancy I’m not a huge fan of

I agree but also I just don’t agree with him as a person in general lol. He’s a shitty person

IIRC he’s more into the sexual aspects of tulpamancy, which I tend to be against unless the relationship forms over time and naturally, as opposed to like, making someone solely for that reason.

His beliefs are shitty, sex based and harmful.

Again, personal opinion, I just don’t like that.

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Yeahhh